12:56:01 From Laura Jo West to Everyone : OMG freakin' HILARIOUS! 12:56:52 From Adam Mendonca, Gila NF NLOT to Everyone : I just joined and that pic of Neil is funny. So accurate 12:58:26 From Heather Provencio to Everyone : We tease because we love, Neil 13:00:15 From Tom Torres to Everyone : That is awesome! 13:01:12 From Tom Torres to Everyone : I'll share that pic with our employees for motivation... 13:01:24 From Dale Deiter - Prescott National Forest to Everyone : Absolutely love it!!! 13:01:34 From Robert Trujillo to Everyone : good form Neil 13:01:46 From Adam Mendonca, Gila NF NLOT to Everyone : Neil, I didn't know you had it in you. 13:01:53 From Adam Mendonca, Gila NF NLOT to Everyone : Hidden talents 13:02:30 From Dale Deiter - Prescott National Forest to Everyone : I knew you had it in you Neil! 13:02:44 From Laura Jo West to Everyone : renaissance man fer sure :) 13:05:33 From Dale Deiter - Prescott National Forest to Everyone : that was an easier discussion than yesterday 13:05:49 From Laura Jo West to Everyone : it was fun 13:06:12 From Jeremy Kruger to Everyone : I really enjoyed our discussion, It never gets old talking about green chile and New Mexico culture 13:06:53 From Bill Sapp to Everyone : The dialogue was excellent, but often difficult to decide whether our statements fit in values or beliefs. But it made us explore the issues more deeply 13:07:32 From Bill Sapp to Everyone : At least for me 13:10:42 From Monica Martinez to Everyone : I really appreciated the opinions and beliefs and opinions of others. Made me think of values, beliefs and "who we are" with a different lens instead of the Grants and Agreements lens. 13:15:24 From Robert Trujillo to Everyone : so just drop the in and it becomes a belief versus a value? 13:20:15 From Ericka Luna to Everyone : I really like the word courageous 13:21:38 From Dale Deiter - Prescott National Forest to Everyone : like the need to evolve Adam 13:21:44 From Adam Bromley to Everyone : that is an excellent point. how do we move forward and adjust our beliefs and values moving forward 13:21:58 From Kerwin Dewberry to Everyone : WOW 13:22:24 From Rita Skinner to Everyone : seems the values should be constant, the beliefs around those values can change 13:23:10 From Amy Padilla to Everyone : Spot on, thanks Adam 13:23:19 From Laura Jo West to Everyone : thanks, Adam! 13:25:08 From Heather Provencio to Everyone : I liked the way you turned the statement around cutting timber to being courageous and willing to take risks to restore our landscapes...nailed it! 13:25:55 From Adam Mendonca, Gila NF NLOT to Everyone : Great job group. 13:26:28 From Monica Martinez to Everyone : Thank you Adam and group. Learning so much from you and the others! 13:26:38 From Laura Jo West to Everyone : the topic that prompted the need to have hard convos was the varying perceptions leaders have of the role of our stakeholder - how much are we willing to allow ourselves to be meaningfully influenced by them and when? 13:29:13 From Laura Jo West to Everyone : i love that word! 13:30:53 From Robert Trujillo to Everyone : i like the use of endemic resources... 13:32:26 From Judy Palmer R3 FIre Director to Everyone : Good job Adam 13:33:06 From Elaine Kohrman, USDA Forest Service to Everyone : Bravo Adam B! 13:33:35 From Tom Torres to Everyone : Good work Adams! 13:34:36 From Laura Jo West to Everyone : we're a hardy bunch 13:35:42 From Laura Jo West to Everyone : i like that, here this is a much thinner line between the people and the land than there is in many places 13:38:41 From Heather Provencio to Everyone : I like that..."the work we do is community driven." 13:41:02 From Heather Provencio to Everyone : I also really liked, "the convergence of cultures" 13:41:15 From Laura Jo West to Everyone : do we have a target for good relationships? :) 13:41:20 From Kim Giang to Everyone : Good job, Erin! Thank you group 8 13:41:50 From Elaine Kohrman, USDA Forest Service to Everyone : we are a hearty bunch too! 13:42:06 From Laura Jo West to Everyone : love that, Elaine! 13:46:56 From Laura Jo West to Everyone : I would imagine R10 shares a lot of the same unique qualities as R3 as it relates to people's connection to the land 13:47:12 From Rita Skinner to Everyone : Is the population growth (from folks leaving California) a world force? 13:47:31 From Rebecca Reynolds to Everyone : yes Rita! 13:48:09 From Robert Trujillo to Everyone : agreed Laura Jo, weve chatted before that a subsistence type of approach makes lots of sense for parts of our region. folks connectgion revolves around food, forage, and fiber... 13:52:16 From Tom Torres to Everyone : Nicely done Shayne! 13:54:06 From James D. Duran to Everyone : Partners need our help getting their work done as well. It's OUR work... 13:57:27 From Rebecca Reynolds to Everyone : Self-rewarding 13:58:28 From Brad Turberville to Everyone : That resonates quite a bit with me Kerwin, thanks for sharing. 13:59:55 From Rebecca Reynolds to Everyone : "Is that unique to this region?" 14:02:05 From Heather Provencio to Everyone : Yeah...I like the highlight of all the observatories: high elevation, clear air, arid conditions and dark skies makes for a good location for those 14:03:07 From Rebecca Reynolds to Everyone : Milagro Beanfield!!!! 14:03:13 From Robert Trujillo to Everyone : Is that a manito Danny? 14:04:07 From Sandy Watts to Everyone : Very well said Danny 14:04:08 From Robert Trujillo to Everyone : d the pig tha ttore up the beanfield 14:04:09 From Elaine Kohrman, USDA Forest Service to Everyone : we should make a list of book and movie recommendations for new employees! 14:04:23 From Stephanie McGovern to Everyone : and book ;-) 14:04:37 From Travis Moseley to Everyone : Another resource for understanding N NM culture is the book "You Can't Push a Rope". 14:04:43 From Heather Provencio to Everyone : That's a great idea, Elaine! 14:05:55 From Jeremy Kruger to Everyone : I would recommend Bill Debuys "Enchanted and Exploitation" for inisght and history into northern NMhttps://unmpress.com/books/enchantment-and-exploitation/9780826353429 14:06:38 From Robert Trujillo to Everyone : that's a good book Jeremy - gives lots of good insight. There are also several academic papers written about the vallecitos sustained yield unit 14:06:57 From Adam Mendonca, Gila NF NLOT to Everyone : Just hear it 14:07:11 From Heather Provencio to Everyone : We can see it later 14:07:11 From Brad Turberville to Everyone : For me I am visual personally as they read 14:08:48 From Jeremy Kruger to Everyone : Thanks Robert-there's also some good resources through the NM Land Grant Council https://lgc.unm.edu/resources 14:08:56 From James D. Duran to Everyone : I'd also encourage folks to check out the "Hassell Report". Hassell was our RF back in the early 70's and drafted a document that is often referenced as the NNM Policy. Speaks to the unique cultural connections and the need for the agency to show up in a different way to meet the needs of communities. The Carson will soon be hosting a learning session on this and I will ensure we invite RLT. 14:09:29 From Dale Deiter - Prescott National Forest to Everyone : Thanks James, that would be great! 14:09:37 From Tom Torres to Everyone : i appreciate the term "Complexity" Robert Often times for me Busy really means Complex. There is tremendous complexity we are managing 14:10:31 From Jeremy Kruger to Everyone : Thanks for sharing James- I would be very interested in attending... 14:10:37 From Rita Skinner to Everyone : wholistic restoration - I like that 14:10:59 From Ian Fox, R3 to Everyone : James D. that would be very cool! 14:11:06 From Heather Provencio to Everyone : I like that..."we manage at scales that make a difference" 14:12:06 From Jeremy Kruger to Everyone : "go big or go home" could be our restoration motto :) 14:13:08 From Ericka Luna to Everyone : I love learning about the unique culture of N. NM. I am also interested in learning more about the distinct cultural identity of Arizona communities and articulating/sharing that prospective. 14:13:47 From Rita Skinner to Everyone : we believe we are part of the community... nice 14:14:24 From Kerwin Dewberry to Everyone : Yes we are part of the community! love it Rita and Robert 14:14:47 From Rebecca Reynolds to Everyone : FORGE 14:15:13 From Dale Deiter - Prescott National Forest to Everyone : nailed it Robert 14:15:19 From Adam Mendonca, Gila NF NLOT to Everyone : Nice job Robert. Some really good words in that presentation 14:16:10 From Heather Provencio to Everyone : agree, Kerwin..."we are part of the communities we serve" That feels good. 14:17:55 From Ian Fox, R3 to Everyone : Don't forget about our beautiful Grasslands of Texas and OK. They are true gems!!! 14:18:39 From Tom Torres to Everyone : Erika - Read "On the Border with Crook". Tell's the story of Indian Wars in the late 1800's, establishment of reservations, and conflict with miners/ranchers. 14:18:41 From Elaine Kohrman, USDA Forest Service to Everyone : i love the words "grassland gems" 14:19:01 From Robert Trujillo to Everyone : i wrote a policy analysis piece in the esrly 200s on the Haskell report and the northern NM policy through an internship in DC WO while I was a grad student. Definitely some good things in the Haskell report that wee are now working towards. 14:19:08 From Robert Trujillo to Everyone : 2000s 14:19:42 From Ericka Luna to Everyone : Thank you, Tom. I will. 14:21:09 From Elaine Kohrman, USDA Forest Service to Everyone : copy Rita 14:21:24 From Robert Trujillo to Everyone : and multiple use, as others have mentioned, is the driver of conflict in the work we do 14:22:13 From Robert Trujillo to Everyone : yes 14:22:15 From Neil Bosworth to Everyone : No break! 14:22:17 From Elaine Kohrman, USDA Forest Service to Everyone : yep 14:22:18 From Robert Trujillo to Everyone : i need to feed my fire 14:22:30 From Dale Deiter - Prescott National Forest to Everyone : break dance Neil 14:24:41 From Wendy Jo Haskins to Everyone : Saguaro to pine trees, grasslands to alpine tundra 14:30:08 From Stephanie McGovern to Everyone : Lost audio, rebooted and don't hear or see anyone. 14:31:49 From Rebecca Reynolds to Everyone : TEST 14:34:26 From Stephanie McGovern to Everyone : Hi 14:34:27 From Rebecca Reynolds to Everyone : TEST 14:34:43 From Rita Skinner to Everyone : hi 14:43:30 From Rebecca Reynolds to Everyone : BELONGING 14:43:42 From Rita Skinner to Rebecca Reynolds(Direct Message) : I just restarted the recording, missed a bit, sorry 14:44:06 From Rebecca Reynolds to Rita Skinner(Direct Message) : THANK YOU! Sorry! argh... 14:44:32 From Dale Deiter - Prescott National Forest to Everyone : humility 14:44:57 From Rita Skinner to Rebecca Reynolds(Direct Message) : I should have caught it sooner, but was letting Ian and Steve back in the meeting... I think we are good now. 14:45:18 From Heather Provencio to Everyone : I like that..."diverse harmony" 14:45:35 From Ericka Luna to Everyone : Cultural humility is the “ability to maintain an interpersonal stance that is other-oriented (or open to the other) in relation to aspects of cultural identity that are most important to the [person].[1]” Cultural humility is different from other culturally-based training ideals because it focuses on self-humility rather than achieving a state of knowledge or awareness. Cultural humility was formed in the physical healthcare field and adapted for therapists, social workers, and medical librarians,[2] to learn more about experiences and cultural identities of others and increase the quality of their interactions with clients and community members. 14:46:34 From Sandy Watts to Everyone : Great job Liv, you covered our conversation perfectly 14:47:06 From Dale Deiter - Prescott National Forest to Everyone : i like that Erica! 14:47:28 From Elaine Kohrman, USDA Forest Service to Everyone : word nerds love it! 14:48:10 From Amy Padilla to Everyone : I like that Ericka 14:48:42 From Heather Provencio to Everyone : I love that concept, Erika. thanks for explaining 14:50:02 From Laura Jo West to Everyone : what is a 'passive' value? 14:50:04 From Robert Trujillo to Everyone : Those are the state of AZ horses... 14:51:09 From Laura Jo West to Everyone : mythical value? :) 14:51:54 From Robert Trujillo to Everyone : valued more than our native endangered species by some folks... 14:52:47 From Dale Deiter - Prescott National Forest to Everyone : Thanks Ian! 14:52:54 From Tom Torres to Everyone : Thx Ian 14:53:14 From Elaine Kohrman, USDA Forest Service to Everyone : yes mythical is great word LJ! different feeling here.. like something in the soil... 14:54:56 From Laura Jo West to Everyone : exactly Elaine - we weirdos totally get that <3 14:57:08 From Tom Torres to Everyone : agree Heather 14:57:43 From Robert Trujillo to Everyone : And its social, economic, and political science as well as ecological/physical 14:57:44 From Stephanie McGovern to Everyone : well said 14:59:42 From Robert Trujillo to Everyone : I agree Rebecca, and that also imparts the concept of humility in our expert/professionalism 14:59:59 From Heather Provencio to Everyone : exactly, Robert 15:00:16 From Rita Skinner to Everyone : dynamic tension Humble/Expert 15:00:32 From Heather Provencio to Everyone : yes, Rita! 15:01:57 From Dale Deiter - Prescott National Forest to Everyone : and as already was said, grasslands 15:02:11 From Heather Provencio to Everyone : maybe tundra to saguaros is better? 15:04:44 From Ericka Luna to Everyone : I like saguaros, good visual. 15:05:58 From Laura Jo West to Everyone : interesting observation, Neil 15:06:37 From Adam Bromley to Everyone : I would ask that question of every use of national forest lands. you could ask if we value recreation or tolerate it. 15:06:46 From Tom Torres to Everyone : I feel you Neil... good points 15:07:14 From Rita Skinner to Everyone : Maybe we can all value something - but tolerate others beliefs around it? 15:07:15 From Wendy Jo Haskins to Everyone : From GTR 509 passive-use values: those values that people hold for things they may not expect to use themselves but that they believe should exist for future generations. The term “passive-use value” includes two categories (Peterson and Sorg 1987, Randall 1992): things people appreciate without actually using them or even intending to use them (like a distant wilderness or an endangered plant or animal) are called “existence values”; and things people want to remain available for others (such as their descendants) to use and appreciate are called “bequest values.” 15:07:31 From Rebecca Reynolds to Everyone : thanks, WJ 15:07:35 From Jeremy Kruger to Everyone : in Alaska, placer miners are iconic users of the land, key in the history of the state, much as ranchers in the SW are 15:07:55 From Tom Torres to Everyone : Ooohhh Thx Wendy Jo for the reference 15:08:09 From Ericka Luna to Everyone : that's helpful, WJ 15:09:30 From Robert Trujillo to Everyone : Do we value others values if they differ from our own? 15:10:05 From Heather Provencio to Everyone : So inspiring Neil, lol! everything either bites, stings, attacks or the heat will kill you 15:10:39 From Elaine Kohrman, USDA Forest Service to Everyone : Like Survivor! outwit outlast... 15:10:42 From Laura Jo West to Everyone : Thank you, WJo, that is awesome. There certainly is a unique romance associated with the SW that transcends where someone may reside 15:11:10 From Adam Bromley to Everyone : does multiple use mean every use? 15:11:20 From Wendy Jo Haskins to Everyone : Exactly LJ, anywhere in the world people will relate to it 15:11:34 From Ericka Luna to Everyone : Neil, are you unhappy? 15:11:47 From Laura Jo West to Everyone : I always describe the southwest as 'its so pointy' LOL 15:11:54 From Robert Trujillo to Everyone : the right use on the right piece of ground with an intention of sustainability and conservation 15:11:57 From Jeremy Kruger to Everyone : is it realistic to expect everyone we hire to like every use? 15:11:57 From markjacobsen to Everyone : Happy enough to Dance Neil? 15:12:59 From Rita Skinner to Everyone : We value multiple use.... we can disagree with some of the beliefs around that. Someone may :"believe" mining is integral to multiple use - other may believe grazing.... and folks pick from a suite of those beliefs and throw others out. Like religion. 15:13:12 From Matt Jedra to Everyone : ....that's the beauty of diversity of thought Jeremy. 15:13:23 From Jeremy Kruger to Everyone : I used to see this dynamic tension a lot at BLM...is it fair to ask rare plant botanists to "like" oil and gas development that threatens habitat for rare plants? 15:14:05 From Jeremy Kruger to Everyone : I agree Matt, that is our strength I think... 15:14:50 From Shayne Martin to Everyone : May not like it, but must respect our role as codified in our position as a federal agency. 15:15:06 From Robert Trujillo to Everyone : Based on our uniqueness, we value the heritage aspect of the region but invest mostly in the regulatory compliance part of heritage. Same with biodiversity on a fine scale versus the large scale landscape resilience 15:15:10 From Laura Jo West to Everyone : I've moved from areas where I couldn't match my values with that of the community and the values it sought from the FS 15:16:31 From Laura Jo West to Everyone : yes, Adam! 15:16:40 From Adam Bromley to Everyone : Yup Adam 15:17:14 From Dale Deiter - Prescott National Forest to Everyone : agreed Adam, we are caretakers and stewards not kings and queens 15:17:30 From Laura Jo West to Everyone : So pick the communities where you work carefully! :) 15:17:31 From Danny Montoya to Everyone : well said, Adam 15:17:34 From Dale Deiter - Prescott National Forest to Everyone : shouldn't matter what we like in terms of how we conduct ourselves 15:18:19 From James D. Duran to Everyone : Now everyone know why Neils Beard is so healthy. He's eating right! 15:18:34 From Robert Trujillo to Everyone : grass fed organic beef...the ponly way to go 15:18:36 From Robert Trujillo to Everyone : oly 15:18:41 From Robert Trujillo to Everyone : only 15:18:46 From Dale Deiter - Prescott National Forest to Everyone : James i will buy some if it will reverse my balding 15:19:23 From Robert Trujillo to Everyone : Hasn't reversed mine yet Dale... 15:19:52 From Ericka Luna to Everyone : I loved it! 15:20:14 From Adam Mendonca, Gila NF NLOT to Everyone : Thanks for clarifying Neil. That makes sense. 15:20:24 From Wendy Jo Haskins to Everyone : Good point James 15:21:54 From Monica Martinez to Everyone : I like to hear your examples Robert. 15:22:26 From Rita Skinner to Everyone : "All over the world people are struggling to figure out how to live off the land while conserving it for the future. We believe this is possible and we help make it so...". (Valuing People and Places work) 15:22:28 From lewishcarroll to Everyone : is the "path of least resistance" preferred so that we, R3, can accomplish larger goals. 15:22:29 From Ian Fox, R3 to Everyone : Right on Robert! 15:22:29 From Dale Deiter - Prescott National Forest to Everyone : well said Robert! 15:22:40 From Monica Martinez to Everyone : It's the big picture and looking beyond the immediate outcome. Very well said. 15:22:42 From Elaine Kohrman, USDA Forest Service to Everyone : yes Robert dynamic tension with sustainable management and uses 15:22:43 From Sandy Watts to Everyone : yes, very well said Robert 15:23:36 From Robert Trujillo to Everyone : And i move for the gentleman from Taos to provide the steaks at the next in-person RLT... 15:23:38 From Travis Moseley to Everyone : Do we value the production and utilization of forage, minerals, oil and timber despite the controversy that surrounds it? I argue we do not value the controversies, but we do value the production and wise use of these resources. 15:23:42 From Jeremy Kruger to Everyone : the American conservation model has done a lot to sustain the public estate and has been replicated by many other countries...IMHO 15:23:52 From Adam Mendonca, Gila NF NLOT to Everyone : I second that Robert 15:24:17 From Laura Jo West to Everyone : I value showing up as an authentic leader and holding whatever tensions are out there around values 15:24:17 From Tom Torres to Everyone : thx Mike and help get to better futures 15:24:23 From James D. Duran to Everyone : Well said Travis! 15:24:55 From Tom Torres to Everyone : I like it Travis 15:24:59 From trevaslaughter to Everyone : exactly Robert! We manage the resources that sustain not only a way of life, but families and communities as well 15:25:22 From Dale Deiter - Prescott National Forest to Everyone : still unsure 15:25:24 From Wendy Jo Haskins to Everyone : No 15:25:25 From Rita Skinner to Everyone : Discrete 15:25:28 From Shayne Martin to Everyone : unsure 15:25:30 From Elaine Kohrman, USDA Forest Service to Everyone : discrete 15:25:31 From Ian Fox, R3 to Everyone : Discrete 15:25:31 From Bill Sapp to Everyone : no 15:25:32 From Adam Bromley to Everyone : discrete 15:25:33 From Heather Provencio to Everyone : discrete ID 15:25:33 From Adam Mendonca, Gila NF NLOT to Everyone : Discrete 15:25:34 From Ericka Luna to Everyone : unsure 15:25:36 From Robert Trujillo to Everyone : Agreed Laura Jo. holding those dynamic tensions is part and parcel of the job we've signed up for. sometimes not fun but always an adventure 15:25:37 From Tom Torres to Everyone : unsure 15:25:38 From James D. Duran to Everyone : Discrete 15:25:38 From Brad Turberville to Everyone : discrete 15:25:40 From lewishcarroll to Everyone : discrete 15:25:42 From Monica Martinez to Everyone : unsure 15:25:42 From Robert Trujillo to Everyone : discrete 15:25:43 From Sandy Watts to Everyone : Discrete 15:25:44 From Travis Moseley to Everyone : Discrete 15:25:45 From Kim Giang to Everyone : Unsure 15:25:47 From markjacobsen to Everyone : unsure 15:25:48 From Erin Swiader to Everyone : discrete 15:25:50 From Stephanie McGovern to Everyone : unsure 15:25:51 From Anthony Madrid to Everyone : Discrete for internal use 15:25:52 From Lorrie Baines to Everyone : discrete 15:25:55 From Tracy Parker to Everyone : unsure 15:25:56 From Danny Montoya to Everyone : discrete 15:25:56 From Liv Fetterman to Everyone : Discrete Identity 15:26:22 From Mike Martinez to Everyone : Discrete 15:26:42 From Laura Jo West to Everyone : yes indeed, Robert! 15:27:12 From Robert Trujillo to Everyone : Tomorrow is new RF day!!! 15:27:21 From Sandy Watts to Everyone : YAY! 15:27:29 From Adam Mendonca, Gila NF NLOT to Everyone : Like Christmas or a prison sentence. Time will tell 15:27:47 From Laura Jo West to Everyone : so true, Adam 15:28:22 From Elaine Kohrman, USDA Forest Service to Everyone : can we do a word doodle thing? that takes all the words are shows what is used most... 15:28:41 From Shayne Martin to Everyone : word cloud right? 15:28:47 From Elaine Kohrman, USDA Forest Service to Everyone : right! 15:28:48 From Robert Trujillo to Everyone : I like those graphics Elaine... is there an app or software to do that? 15:29:03 From Shayne Martin to Everyone : yes 15:32:23 From Travis Moseley to Everyone : Because we value multiple use, we can't commit to emphasizing one over the other. 15:32:24 From James D. Duran to Everyone : Shayne - what software exists? I use Kahoot but it's expensive. 15:32:29 From Sandy Watts to Everyone : a word cloud is a quick and visual way to analyze our work 15:32:58 From Robert Trujillo to Everyone : Can we take each of the identity statements and drop them in a word cloud thingy? 15:33:11 From Heather Provencio to Everyone : A word cloud will pull out the themes, but won't pull out the unique descriptions that are likely to grab folks' attention 15:33:33 From Shayne Martin to Everyone : https://www.wordclouds.com/ 15:34:11 From James D. Duran to Everyone : Thanks 15:34:51 From Shayne Martin to Everyone : yeah it'll just count individual words used, not the overall phrases 15:35:38 From Elaine Kohrman, USDA Forest Service to Everyone : i was just thinking as a visual for fun to see some of the ke words, not a final product.. :) 15:35:44 From Elaine Kohrman, USDA Forest Service to Everyone : key 15:36:18 From James D. Duran to Everyone : That helps. 15:39:45 From Robert Trujillo to Everyone : smoke coming out of my ears...my brain hurts.... 15:40:30 From Monica Martinez to Everyone : Thank you! Learned so much today!